Re: Creator Spotlight AKA Creators Circle


Ok I have to admit I had not thought about a Badge or a Banner as an award that the creator could put on their own websites or social account. But man I wish I had thought of that. It would certainly add a sense of legitimacy for the creator. GREAT IDEA!

If I am understanding you correctly it would work something like this. A creator would be chosen for the creators circle then in addition to having their profile in the spot light on the home page and on the creators circle timeline they would be given an exclusive badge that they can use on their social media and websites as a method of validation and legitimacy to what they do?



I was just thinking it would be pretty cool to be able to find other creators in a similar niche as oneself and build working relationships, networking if you will. As an example I found out about a company called Loot Crate. I made it a point to find out all I could about them and see if there was a way that there company and our could work together and achieve successes together. Upon completing my research I contacted them and we are now in negotiations of a deal that could help us financially, with traffic, benefit our subscribers and for them increase sales as a whole.

New creators may not know how to go about doing what I dd in the paragraph above, that said while I understand Recurrency is about generating funds for creatiors I also feel like it could easily reach a whole new level with B2B networking. Im not talking about some sort of chat client or even a forum per say. More like a listing that tells other creators that hey this is what I do and this is what I am looking for kind of thing. From that listing people could then say  'Oh, there is WarCraft Press a gaming news site" and "I make energy drinks that would be a great pairing wonder if they would be interested in working with us?"  It would kind of be a business introduction of sorts. Im not even sure how it would be implemented at this point I was just thinking it would be great if we could connect with other creators and work together. And Bruce Lee said it best "If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them."

 I look forward to hearing the feedback on this one.

Re: Groups


I love the concept -- and to some (very) small degree, this inner circle is sort of intended to be (or become, as we add more engaged members) the so-called MVP / Minimum Viable Product for that kind of networking. We're obviously not there yet -- but the sort of "inner circle LinkedIn" effect that helps folks connect with like-minded other creators and businesses is something I'd love for us to be able to provide more of (but even LinkedIn itself lacks a lot of formal tools around *actually* putting people together -- it's still all DIY at the tactical level. So there's a big general "problem for someone to solve" hanging out there for sure).

There's also the challenge for us to remain focused in the face of boiling a proverbial ocean, so to speak, and I feel like one of the struggles we're having perhaps even more pressingly is "How can we help you get more Supporters?" Is it a matter of getting out in front of more of them more often (promotion, mailing lists, engagement), or convincing more of the fence-sitters / "thinking about it" folks to take the leap, or in getting more fans in the first place (who might later become supporters) -- i.e. the marketing angle, or is it more about giving you more tools to offer more value to supporters in the first place? Like, beyond the "feel good" effect of contributing to you and your growth, how else can we provide tangible benefits or access that makes the "why" of supporting you more self-evident?

Would love your thoughts on that front (and whether or not you're hearing any feedback from fans on why they would / wouldn't want to support) -- and absolutely eager for anyone else's thoughts along the same vein if the spirit moves you...

Thanks Richard!! Really good food for thought.


How and when payments post to creators #howto


Flagging this one for special notice since we've had a few questions on this topic from both creators and supporters -- the linked doc here in our wiki should answer both the question of "how/when do I get paid?" as well as "why are the amounts sometimes not the same as the exact gift amount"? [spoiler alert: we pro-rate gifts depending on the time of the month]

As ever, thanks all -- let us know if you have any questions / thoughts on this!

Re: Groups


I want to first apologize for the delay in my response to this post. I am switching hosting and anyway just been crazy mad busy worse than a dog on antifreeze. So I wanted to let you know I agree with the points you made about LinkedIn's inner circle and lack of tools to help make this connection that "we" as creators need to help us build a better service, product or whatever the case may be.  Furthermore, I also agree that  we are challenged in remaining focused on the purpose of Recurrency. and to be honest I was hesitant on even suggesting such an idea, but I also know that an idea not given is a door to possibilities not opened!

That said I do feel like being a creator is more than just raising money for projects and ideas, its about working together and making dreams a reality. As a creator myself  I feel like there are several sites like Patreon, gofundme, and Kickstarter that have failed to make that connection  or realization. I think this is a phenomenal opportunity for Recurrency to set themselves apart from the competition. By being more than just a funding site, being a site that actually cares about its creators!

In terms of getting more supporters I am not an expert at that Im learning as I go for my own adventure and every day gives me a new lesson. I do think there is a way for Recurrency to utilize the current supporters and this may be a bit out in left field, but we all know mailing lists are the key to any business consistently getting in front of people. Utilize the Recurrency emailing lists. Offer a promotion of some sort for referrals to your lists for a supporting referral. An example and again this is just off the top of my head as I am sitting here writing this post, but lets use me as the creator for example. You send me an email because I am a creator, and in the email it has a custom link that allows Recurrency to track any visitors to the site via that link, When someone lands on the site via this referral link offer the supporter some sort of reward for supporting the Recurrency creators. One possibility would be something like if the supporter donates $100 to a creator per month or more you will add 5% to it on their behalf in the first month. Yes I understand that eats into the profit margin for Recurrency but now you just set your self up to get that 5% back every month until the subscription or donation is canceled. Besides its just an example sine you guys know the ins and outs of Recurrecny and I don't I'm sure you can come up with something better and there has to be a reason for people to support out of the box ideas and creators, so the trick is to find what motivates supporters!.

In closing I want to pass on some awesome news about WarCraft Press. This morning checking my stats on I found out that our website is in the top 1% of websites ranked for their traffic! In the last 2 months since we went live we have increased our traffic rank by more than 10 million positions according to I also want to point out that the website has gone from me paying for everything out of pocket to the site being able to pay for itself in terms of hosting, domain registration and such, but we have a long way to go to help pay for the team at and we owe the achievements in large part to Recurrency, so I thank you for making Recurrency a reality and for inviting me to be a part of something that I believe will be HUGE!

New static, image-based badges with no script tags #newfeatures


Hey folks!

This is a quick update but of interest especially to anyone who has struggled with getting Recurrency badges to render properly or is using a platform that strips out script tags (relegating the beautiful fancy graphic to simply plain text):

We shipped a "just plain static image" version of the badges that should solve most (if not all) of those issues. You can find them from the Badges dropdown menu command and choose color and language accordingly -- here's a screencap of precisely where to look:

Thanks all!!


Re: Creator Spotlight AKA Creators Circle


Following up on this front much belatedly:

Not to put words in Mr. Gray's mouth, but to your question Richard I believe that's exactly the intent (offer the badge to display not just on one's Recurrency profile but beyond / wherever good creations are being made and promoted -- for the purpose of adding legitimacy / validation). That's a piece in progress along with the special "Featured" profile as chicken scratched out earlier in this thread -- but what's further along as to be actually launched is a v.1 of a "Creator Discovery" page:

Right now the logic that orders this page isn't quite the way we'd like it -- so I'm holding off on posting this explicitly to the #newfeatures hashtag until I can get it updated by "all recent activity." There's also still some work being done on completing the "Featured Creator" / Creator's Corner slot that my team can use for the purposes of the O.P. -- basically we will have a way to add a "Featured" banner to the first slot and send visitors over to the special profile with Q&A. I am a little bit torn on whether to go with a sort of franchise approach where we always ask the same 5 standard questions (so there's a basis for interesting comparison across a wide range of genres and mediums, etc.) vs. mixing it up / tailoring a set of short questions for individually selected creators. Richard and anyone else who has any thoughts on this front -- any preferences? Also tossing in a few draft questions that could fit the bill on the franchise version of this, would love any feedback / alt suggestions / additional ideas here too...

  1. What inspires you to create?
  2. How did you cultivate your craft: professional study? Self-taught? Fell down an unexpected rabbit hole somewhere along the path to Other Things? All of the above?
  3. Who are some of your greatest influences?
  4. How do you tune out distractions and get into the "Creative Zone"?
  5. What advice would you give to someone on the fence about choosing to pursue the Creative Life?


Re: Creator Spotlight AKA Creators Circle


Hello, Barb! Always nice to see your creative juices flowing. Okay so if I understand right you basically are wanting to create ad banner of sorts that creators like me or anyone can post on there social networks and websites and such to essentially just show their status on Recurrncey, correct? If that's the case code wise it would look something like

 <a href=""><img src="YOUR IMAGE HERE" height="300" width="600" alt="recurrency badge of honor" target="_blank">

or am I mistaken on what the goal here is?

Okay so initially I like the discovery page as a whole. But I guess Im not sure how people will be chosen for a spot on this page. I know you stated previously there are some logic issues, perhaps I can help if you fill me in. Id sure give it all I got to try anyway.

In regards to the Questions no I don't think they should be a set or standard set of questions. I mean if you were an interviewer for say a potential employee you wouldn't always stick to a script. Sure there are a few questions that might always come up like availability and so on but a lot of times as your speaking with a person you get a sense of them and decide or ask questions that you feel are important based off your instinct of the individual. That in Mind I believe and feel the board should be the ones to decide what questions to ask based on the person(s) being reviewed and voted for by their peers, and contributors.

Please I mean no offense by any of what is about to come next so please do not take it as being rude or aggressive because that is in no way my intent,  I just want to make a point.

No one individual creators or not are not the same and to group them into a category for the same questions is kind of demeaning as a creator myself. I am not like anyone else and I totally have started my business on less that $100.00 and an idea of my own money and have now a team of 10 in my employ which none of are paid a dime as of yet. That takes a certain degree of charisma and the ability to inspire others to greatness. Any one of the people in this group can look at my website or Recurrency page and see we are growing and the fact that we only currently have 3 donations coming in at the moment and are still seeing the successes we have. If anyone else did that Id have very specific questions for them and even those that have not yet done that Id still have very specific questions for them but they would certainly be different from a guy that say invested 10K to start.

Moving on in regards the the Creator's Circle I did not see anything about a board being established to evaluate nominees or how people will be nominated for a spot on the creators circle. Also based on the discovery page I kind of feel like there are way too many, creators being listed there. These slots should be coveted and held as a kind of a grand prize for winning the Kentucky Derby or the Indy 500. Also I was under the impression that a person would be featured on the home page for a day then the next person chosen by the board would be the person featured on the home page and so and so on. Am I wrong in my thinking? I mean that is how I proposed it and envisioned so I'm not sure where I went askew.

As always its been a blast working with you all and you all motivate me so much. Thanks for the honor of being a part of this amazing group!

Tiers and rewards coming soon: a tiny simple poll... #upcoming


Hey folks!

We're working on adding a new featureset around tiers and rewards -- I'm sure the vast majority of you are familiar with the general concept:

  • Tiers: sets a support threshold at which folks who support you become eligible for a set of benefits, aka rewards
  • Rewards: the benefits that a supporter gets in each tier

Wanted to loop y'all in to plant a seed around brainstorming potential offerings you might want to give supporters as an incentive for supporting you. Sky is the literal limit in terms of creative approaches to this, and we'll be working on getting some guidelines/best practices/case studies to share as we all get up to speed. In the meantime, here is the word's shortest (well, maybe...) poll with a couple of relevant questions about how this will work -- for folks who have the time to take a few moments and provide input, we'll surely make use of it! There's a sneak preview screencap of the back end interface (in progress) at the link below as well for the product-curious. Thanks -- and as always, feel free to drop feedback right into this thread as well.

2-question poll on how rewards/tiers should work on Recurrency:

Re: Creator Spotlight AKA Creators Circle


Thanks Richard!!

You're right about the badge and the related goal -- as opposed to the main Recurrency badges that can be used to promote your profile & fundraising in general, the Creators' Corner / Featured Creator badges would be more like the equivalent of the "JD Power" seal of approval / signature of quality type of thing. Probably a static graphic we'd provide vs. an embed code (but good arguments for either way).

And to your point about the Discover page as it currently stands -- I am in 100% agreement that it needs some work both to clarify what the logic *is* that both gets you onto this page and in what order, as well as some better methods of carving out a "Even Moar Special" area for creators being editorially featured (right now we have one slot but it's still in QA). This page right now represents a "Minimum Viable Product" that will evolve and improve over time -- for now, it gives us at least a quick and dirty way to show off some of the best stuff happening. I will follow up here when I can share some more clarity on how we're changing the logic of the order and inclusion on the page.

As for selecting who the Featured / Spotlight creators are -- here again for reasons of bandwidth I think we need to start with an "MVP" that is predominantly an "editorial" selection by the Creators Team, that will eventually afford to get more egalitarian / democratic with community nominations and voting. But imo better to start somewhere more quickly and then build into what we need.

Lastly -- no offense taken re: "standard 5 Q&A" vs. "individually tailored" question! We welcome the feedback and hope everyone will consider this a "safe space" where it's not out of line to state a contrarian opinion or even tell us what we're doing wrong / in just how many ways our emperors have no clothes ;) We've gotta be humble and make a lot of mistakes on the way to getting things right, so we also appreciate your (and everyone's) patience with our scrappy startuppy ways :) And I agree with you that it's hard to shake the appeal of individually-tailored questions -- maybe it's more like 1-2 of the questions are standard/global b/c we really are curious about what everyone's inspiration is and how they got into their nutshells, but beyond that it's more specific to each individual Featured Creator, their genre, history, accomplishments, etc.

Thanks again for your feedback and we'll keep on pushing all these boulders up their respective hills!! Excelsior!! :D


Re: Tiers and rewards coming soon: a tiny simple poll... #upcoming


I took the poll but, to me, one of the things about tiers/rewards that I think is a pretty big deal is making them as easy-to-sign as possible. If the backer needs to scroll through a whole bunch of lines and information, that's a barrier to donation. (Which is kind of the whole gig.)


New WYSIWYG for message posting with image uploads and social embeds #newfeatures


Hey folks!

I come bearing good news -- we've totally rebuilt our message posting engine from the ground up and launched a new WYSIWYG publishing tool. For those of you long-timers (Recurrency O.G. inna house!), you may remember we started out with an "all Markdown" tool and shifted over to a "less technical jargon required" posting tool that unfortunately lacked much multimedia capability to add images or display media inline -- and the new Message tool solves both of those issues.

When you go to create a new Message on Recurrency (which I would encourage you to take a few minutes and kick the tires if you can), you can still highlight text and add formatting or links from the pop-up element as before, but there's a new plus sign "+" button that appears after the cursor that lets you do the following things when clicked:

  • Upload an image
  • Paste a link to a Youtube or Vimeo video and have it render inline in your message
  • Paste a link to a Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram object (tweet, photo, profile, etc.) and have that display properly inline
  • Paste a raw HTML link to an image file hosted elsewhere and have it display inline in your message

There are 3 icons that appear when you click the plus sign that govern your selections -- here's a cheatsheet:

Please give it a whirl and let us know if you have any feedback or suggestions -- one of the easiest ways to keep a decent pace with sharing some updates regularly is to think about "what kind of in progress work or 'behind the scenes' sneak peeks can I share with my fans?" It's light lifting for you because you're already working on creating it (i.e. don't need to whip up Something Special each time specifically for Recurrency), and you can vary the sharing between Public (can be seen by everyone in the All News feed) as a means to promote what you're doing and garner some more support from other Recurrency members, & Private (goes to your supporters only) messages as a means of keeping the supporters you already have feeling engaged. 

Beyond the "feel good" factor of supporting you, supporters are mostly looking for Access and Exclusive Experiences as a value exchange for continuing to support you -- if you're willing to give them a little bit of "backstage access" as it were, it keeps them feeling extra special and starts to create that virtuous circle loop where they want to check back again soon and find out more about what you're working on. Since often these are your core, most engaged fans already, they may also be able to provide some valuable feedback to take into consideration (...or with a grain of salt, depending! :)), which keeps that virtuous circle humming because you're getting new value out of this relationship also (in addition to the straight up actual dollah dollah bills y'all. Money isn't everything... but by gum we still want some by which to keep Creating More Things!)

Thanks everyone -- feel free to just reply here with any feedback, or email us directly at creators-team@... (as always!)


Re: Tiers and rewards coming soon: a tiny simple poll... #upcoming


Agree, & we're aiming to keep things simple yet powerful enough to fulfill the need... or as Einstein might put it, "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." ;)

We've gotten some great feedback on this via the poll -- thanks to everyone who responded!! Seems like the majority of folks would use something between 4 and 6 levels, but on the other question we're pretty split at about half who prefer each higher tier to include all the benefits of the lower tiers, and half who really just want to make totally separate rewards at different dollar amounts. So if you have a POV on either of those questions and have approx. 90s to take the poll, it is certainly not too late to get your feedback incorporated into the product build (and help us resolve the tie between "additive" and "separate" style tiers):

Thanks all!!


How early?


How early do you guys tend to think about announcing new projects to your audience?

I’m staring down the barrel of a serial but I’m, like, still a few months out. 


A word (...ok, several) about providing "Value Exchange" to supporters #tips


We've been thinking a lot about how to answer (and help you answer) a key question from prospective supporters, which is essentially, "...what's in it for me?!"

Some subset of your fans will want to support Just Because -- they love you, they believe in your mission and want to help, they're your Mom (hi Mom!), etc. To take it to the next level and convince the next layer of "fence sitters about to tip," it seems clear there needs to be more Value Exchange in the equation. It doesn't have to be the same sort of fairly rigid quip pro quo as with traditional crowdfunding like Kickstarter or Indiegogo ("I give you $15 now and in a year i expect a copy of your film") -- and in some sense we actually eagerly want to explore the also quite fascinating territory that happens Before The Product -- all the really cool stuff that happens along the way during that year that is usually carefully hidden until suddenly, Out Pops A Film! 

There is something magical and mystical about the "Artist's Way" or the Creator's Journey (or whatever you want to call it without feeling too "woo-woo" ;)) -- and people are fascinated by it. If they're already your fans, they definitely want to know about it because they already like you and don’t already have a window into it elsewhere. They are beside themselves with curiosity about how the sausage is made -- and I think this is actually even more true in the Age of Rampant Professionalism where we've been trained to think that "only the final product matters" -- there's simply too much evidence to suggest the reverse is true and that many people are hungrier to "celebrate the journey" now that most of what we see in culture and media is all neatly Polished, Packaged, and Promoted at insatiable speed. People who aren’t yet fans are still curious because they’re either creators themselves & want to learn form your process, or they’re Frustrated Creatives who were dissuaded from the Artist’s Way at some point in the past and want to live vicariously (or drum up the courage to dive back in).

So, there's a mindset and there's a toolkit & we're going to be doing our best to help with both -- on the latter end there's 1 immediate opportunity and 1 so close to on deck it may launch as early as this week:

  1. Posting Messages: if you haven't checked out the new WYSIWYG yet, please give it a whirl -- i would suggest thinking of "posting on Recurrency" as more like Twitter, less like Wordpress. More like Tumblr, less like Medium (...although Medium looks a lot more like Tumblr these days! it's complicated. there's a lot going on, people). Share some sneak peeks from the creative process, the journey, the drafty bits, the unfinished ideas in all their wabi sabi glory. Think about a relatively steady mix of Public vs. Private posting -- the Public stuff is for "hey you, prospective supporters and Recurrency members, here's what you can expect from me! Here's what I do -- come join my journey" and the Private stuff is the exclusive, "make your supporters feel special and super glad they're giving dollars to you" backchannel into the really cool stuff you're working on that they get to be in the subset of lucky folks who are privy to the process. Doesn't all have to be long-form, doesn't all have to single embedded links from elsewhere -- can be a mix of both. Experiment! Try stuff. Break things! See what resonates. Keep an eye on what Private stuff gets the most attention and do more of that. Keep an eye on what Public stuff brings new supporters to the yard and do more of that. It's more like "starting a party" than like trying to do a traditional direct sales funnel -- try to keep the guests who actually came at 8pm instead of being fashionably late entertained until the rest of the gang shows up, and encourage the gang to get the heck over here because the party is (almost -- & it will be when you get here!) raging!
  2. Tiers/Rewards: launching imminently -- will give you a way to be more explicit about what value you're providing, and experiment with different offerings at different support levels. Maybe it's $5/mo gets a supporter into your team Slack channel, or maybe it's $10 gets them a 1:1 Google Hangout with you each month. Think about ways you can offer additional value that aren't necessarily adding a Whole New Job to all the hats you're already wearing -- open the kimono a bit on stuff you're already doing. Take an extra 10 minutes and share a sketch or a storyboard after you've spent the hours working on it (and offer it as a perk by committing to it with some sort of regularity, weekly, monthly, etc.). It doesn't have to be about Creating Something Else Entirely New for supporters (though it can be) -- it can be getting savvy about repurposing / repackaging what you already do, or maybe even just giving yourself permission to get over the fear of sharing the imperfect, in process stuff (I know I have this fear and it's a personal pep talk as much as it is 'Recurrency advice').

Food for thought. If you eat some and new ideas pop out, please share -- here, in a Message, in a tweet, join our Slack, email us, shout it from a rooftop (but Vine it, so we can hear!), all of the above!

Onward and upward!


Re: A word (...ok, several) about providing "Value Exchange" to supporters #tips


Howdy! I'm Emily, the newest member of the Recurrency team. Great to meet you all.

Just wanted to let you know that we are currently on fixing two bugs with the WYSIWYG:

  1. Currently, when you post a video to WYSIWYG, the video won't actually play on Recurrency. This is a bug! Please make sure you leave the video URL in the post so people can copy/paste the URL and go to youtube/vimeo/etc to watch the video.
  2. If you post a WYSIWYG message that's quite long, your message will show up as shortened with a "see more" link. We'll be removing the "see more" link very soon so people will see the whole post right away.

We'll keep you updated on our progress. Thank you! 

Scrivener course


Hey, there, shadowy elite cabal of creators,

I make no warrants to quality of this promo, but I saw AppSumo is giving away this here Scrivener training course for free today:

Though some of you might want to grab it while you can. 

Love and avocados,

Michael Gray
Recurrency creator team

Ask questions; share things; break stuff -- & other recent highlights on Recurrency #tips


Noticed and wanted to share (and give kudos to!) a few recent posts / experiments of note:

  • Kartooner -- working on a children's book as a new exciting adventure and sharing some sneak peeks along the way: love love love this. my hunch is supporters will too (and the teasing or dangling of such acts as incentive for the idle member passing by to plunk down those hard-earned dollars in exchange for a slice of inspiration and exclusivity)
  • Bill Arceneaux -- the simple art of asking! (well, seemingly simple anyway... just ask Amanda Palmer) Also an example of workshopping at its finest: "hey, there's an idea brewing inside, struggling to come out! and it just needs a village / fellowship / amiable gang of like-minded souls to help it along..." (anyone with better superhero-fu than i -- please, i beg of you -- weigh in accordingly! (hey babe, it needs a name...))
  • Anna Washenko -- consider this also a guerrilla introduction to our little merry band of pranksters in as its newest member: after years of successful freelance writerly lifestyle (which nonetheless continues apace) Anna is making the leap into webcomic territory with Dog and Bird -- a humorously illustrated look at how interspecies friendship may just secretly hold a lot of the keys to getting along with each other on this rock we call home... congrats on the launch! Looking forward to new strips :)

It can be hard in this day and age to be (or admit to being) all Kumbaya with excitement about a "community of interest" but i daresay i, for one, would welcome our new unpretentious overlords who have the audacity to be vulnerable and humble and give credit generously vs. hoarding it as a matter of Gaining Advantage and Accruing Accolades: which is my as per usual TL;DR way of unsimply asking that if you felt a twingle in the positive direction upon witnessing the works so mentioned, please do share the love with your cohort! Or tribe, or krew, or diaspora, or whatever terminology you identify with and whoever's flagpole you think such things might runneth up...

Thanks all!!


Re: Ask questions; share things; break stuff -- & other recent highlights on Recurrency #tips


Hi all! Thanks to our fearless leader for the kind intro. :) I'm looking forward to hearing more about what y'all are working on and doing in the world of cool creative people online. Cheers! 


Re: A word (...ok, several) about providing "Value Exchange" to supporters #tips


Dropping in with a couple of related notes:

  1. the video playback bug is now fixed -- please let us know if anyone runs into any other oddities with video playback but otherwise, GAME ON!
  2. the "show more" link no longer appears on "permalink" pages, i.e. the URL that displays just the Message and not the rest of your stream of posts. There is one related issue we're still working on fixing, which is that in the context of a stream (the "All News" or "My News" tabs when you're browsing the site, e.g.) we still use the "Show More" mechanism so no single lengthy post hijacks the entire page, but there's a quirk where if you expand the Show More to view the whole post and then interact with it (either Like it or leave a comment), the Message will truncate again back to the "Show More" state. That shouldn't happen / it's pretty jarring -- so we'll working on making the Message stay unfurled once a member has expressly indicated they want to read the whole thing

Other CMS / posting improvements are in the works too; I'll follow up with a list of upcoming features and a poll about what else / what areas are most important to you in the Message department: stay tuned.